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"TALLEY, otherwise TÀL-Y-LLYCHAU, a parish, in the union of LLANDILO-VAWR, lower division of the hundred of CAYO, county of CARMARTHEN, SOUTH WALES, 7 1/2 miles (N.) from Llandilo-Vawr: containing 1068 inhabitants, of whom 418 are in the Lower, and 650 in the Upper, division. This place, of which the name, signifying "the head of the lakes," is derived from two large pools, near the church, of about fifty acres in extent, was originally of much greater importance than at present, and the seat of one of the most extensive and venerable ecclesiastical establishments in this part of the principality. The parish . . . comprises by admeasurement 7167 a. 2 r. 19 p., of which the arable proportion may consist of about two-thirds in relation to the pasture, and nearly 200 acres are woodland, and 290 a. 8 p. a common. The surface displays a continued succession of hill and dale, sideland and mountain top, and is rather woody . . . The seat, Edwinsford, stands in the north-west on the confines of the parish, of about half of which the owner of the house is the landed proprietor . . . The church, dedicated to St. Michael, having fallen into decay, was rebuilt in the Grecian style, in 1773 . . . principally from the ruins of the ancient abbey . . . There are places of worship for Baptists and Calvinistic Methodists . . . In the parish are two day schools . . . There are also three Sunday schools . . ." [From A Topographical Dictionary of Wales (S. Lewis, 1844).]

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Church History

Some church and chapel data from The Religious census of 1851 : A Calendar of the returns relating to Wales, Vol 1, South Wales. Ed. by I.G Jones, & D. Williams. UWP, Cardiff, 1976. The names are those of the informants

  • St Michaels Tally Parish Church "The weather being very raw and cold the attendance on 30th was below average" David Lewes Jones, Curate
  • Eskernant CM Erected before 1800 David Walters, Elder, Pantyresker. Nr Talley
  • Providence Cwmdu chapel, Particular Baptists Erected in 1789, rebuilt and enlarged in 1839 "The attendants having lately decreased through the want of a minister being elected by the chapel " Thomas Griffiths, Secretary. Ffosyhwyad, Nr Llandilo

Parish entry from The Welsh Church Year Book, 1929 (Cd by (Archive CD Books).

  • St Michael
  • Incumbent and Curates; J Price
  • Rural Deanery of Llandilo
  • Acreage 7,198 ; Population 506

    Photograph and history of Talley Abbey - on Castle Wales

    Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

    • Esgairnant Chapel, Talley.
    • 150 year anniversary of Capel Esgairnant, Talyllychau 1806-1956.
    • Celebration Service of the Bi Centenary of Talley Church.
    • St Michael's Church, Talley.
    • St Michael's Church and Talley Abbey.
    • The newly refurbished St Michael's Church at Talley.
    • Orwel Morgan refoofing St Michael's Church, Talley.

    Griffiths, G. Milwyn. A Visitation of the Archdeaconry of Carmarthen, 1710 National Library of Wales journal. 1974, Summer Vol XVIII/3. Includes the parish of Tal y Llychau

    O'Neil, B.H.S.J. and Smith, J.B. Talley Abbey, Carmarthenshire, London, H.M.S.O. (1967) [1], 12 p. p., 5 plates, illus., plan.

    Robinson, David M. Platt, Colin. Strata Florida Abbey; Talley Abbey. Edition 2nd rev ed. Cardiff: Cadw: Welsh Historic Monuments, 1998. 56p: ill(chiefly col), facsims, geneal table, maps, plans, ports; 25cm. [ISBN 1857601068]

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    Church Records

    Dyfed FHS have photographs and data relating to various churches and chapels on their site

    Parish registers: Christenings (1685-1979), Marriages (1685-1968) and Burials (1685-1976) are at the Carmarthenshire Record Office.

    Copy ts C (1685-1846) M (1687-1968) B (1686-1893) at NLW and Carm.RO

    Copy ts PR index C (1813-75) M (1687-1875) at NLW and Carm.RO

    Bishops' Transcripts, covering the period (1671, 1675, 1677-8, 1694, 1719, 1732, 1734-9, 1747-9, 1751-3, 1755-1800, 1802-54, 1873-4) are at the National Library of Wales, and have been microfilmed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    Marriage index for this parish - see Dyfed Marriages, 1813-1837, Vol. 20 - Cayo Hundred (Dyfed Family History Society, c1989)

    An index to Marriages (1687-1837) is included in the South And West Wales Genealogical Index CD-ROM - details under Genealogy on Carmarthenshire county page.

    See Bap/Mar/Bur data on FreeReg

    Nonconformist Chapels:

    • Providence (Baptist, 1789), Cwmdu Records with those of Aberduar (Llanybydder) On Dyfed FHS
    • Esgairnant (Calvinistic Methodist, bef 1743), Esgairnant Minutes (1899) NLW Ms 16114; members (1922-45) NLW Ms 16115 On Dyfed FHS Esgairnant Talyllychau CM chapel - still open in 2006
    • Ebenezer English Evangelical church, Halfway SN64733370 Built c.1900?; Still open 1998 Coflein On Dyfed FHS
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    Description & Travel

    The Religious census of 1851 : A Calendar of the returns relating to Wales, Vol 1, South Wales., byJones, I.G. & Williams, D. UWP, Cardiff, 1976. These statistics for this parish are extracted from this book which in turn got them from the 1851 census itself;

    • Area 7167 acres; Population 484 males, 521 females, total 1005

      Talley Castle - on Castle Wales

      Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • View of Talley.
      • Post card of Talley.
      • Various landscapes
      You can see pictures of Talley which are provided by:

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      Gazetteers

      The transcription of the section for Talley from The National Gazetteer (1868) provided by Colin Hinson.

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      Genealogy

      Carmarthenshire Families

      The Edwinsford Family Tree from 1745 to 1970. - on the People's Collection Wales site

      Drummond, F.D.W. Annals of Edwinsford, Clovelly and Hawthornden [Notes on the Wiliams family and its estates. With illustrations], Rhydedwyn, Privately printed (1924) 59 p.

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      History

      Arblaster, Kate. Walking through Time, a Study of Cwmdu 1850-1920. This book on the village of Cwmdu near Talley grew out of the author's Ph.D thesis. Published by the author, 2001.

      Griffiths, C. The village remembered: [Talley]. Country Quest 31/5 (1990), p. 44

      James, Brenda M. Perlau bro Talyllychau. Lerpwl; Llanddewi Brefi: Cyhoeddiadau Modern Cymreig, c1993. vi, 57p: ill, map, ports; 22cm.

      James, Brenda M. Fond memories of Talley. Liverpool: Modern Welsh Publications, c1994. 80p, [16]p of plates: ill, ports; 22cm. [ISBN 0901332399]

      Lloyd, Sir John E., (Ed.). A History of Carmarthenshire (2 vols.), Cardiff, London Carmarthenshire Society (1935, 1939). Extracts from this book can be accessed on some parish pages, see here for this parish

      Price, David L., and Willson, Jack D. Talley House. Carmarthenshire Historian 20 (1985), p. 22-3

      Price, F.S. History of Talley and Talley Abbey, Swansea, Printed by B. Trerise (1934) 36 p., illus. (incl. port.)

      Richards, G.M. The Carmarthenshire possessions of Talyllychau. In Camarthenshire studies, pp.110-121, [County Hall, Carmarthen], Carmarthenshire County Council, (1974).

      Various items   - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • Talley Abbey around 1900.
      • The Lost Road of Talley.
      • Postcard of Talley in 1905.
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      Land & Property

      Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;

      • Douglas J. Elliott Collection of Jones of Glanyrafon-ddu Papers 1767-[20th century] "David Jones (d. 1771) was a member of the Jones family of Glanyrafon-ddu, in the parish of Talley ......"

      Documents at the National Library of Wales:

      • Records of the estate of the family of Williams, later Williams-Drummond, of Rhydodyn, otherwise Edwinsford, Carmarthenshire, including deeds, 1472-1811, records of the manor of Talley, 1617-1744, correspondence, 1580-1863. Other records at Carmarthen Archives.
      • Deeds and documents donated by Douglas J. Elliott, 1767-1875, of the family of Jones of Glanyrafon-ddu, parish of Talley, Carmarthenshire, relating to properties in Carmarthenshire and Breconshire.
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      Maps

      Map of the parish of Talley in the County of Carmarthen - on the People's Collection Wales site

      Parish map (Kain/Oliver)

      You can see maps centred on OS grid reference SN632333 (Lat/Lon: 51.981261, -3.99353), Talley which are provided by:

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      Military History

      Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • Talley War Memorial, Talley.
      • The Home Guard from around Capel Isaac and Talley.
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      Names, Geographical

      Places, villages, farms etc within Talley parish as shown on the online parish map from the CD of Historic Parishes of England and Wales: an Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata [computer file]. (Kain, R.J.P., Oliver, R.R.). (Extracted by Mary Greatorex)

      • Talley (12); Abbey, Afon Anell, Afon Cothi, Blaen-cwm-yr-efail, Blaen-nant, Bryngwyn-mawr, Coed-hirion, Craig-y-bwch, Cross Inn, Cwm-byr, Cwm-cerig, Cwm-du, Cwm-gwiddyfa, Cwm Ifor, Cwm-y-gigfran, Disgwylfa, Dolau-gleison, Ford, Glan-yr-Annell Park, Gors-yr-hwch, Halfway, Inns, Lan, Llwyn-cynhwyr, Mynydd Cynross, Mynydd Figyn, Parc-mawr, Parc-y-dilfa, Pistyll-gwyn, Talley, Tir-pant, Tre Wern, Ty-Hywel
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      Occupations

      Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • 2nd Talley Agricultural Show, Talley
      • Haygathering by Talley Lake.
      • Haymaking at Llangwm, Talley.
      • James Davies was the shoemaker at Ael-y-Bryn Talley
      • This is a photograph of an old Drover's road, which could be seen from the Woodland Walk above The Stables in Talley.
      • Bee-keeping in Dolwerdd 1960s
      • Tomos Lewis, Talley's Smith 1759 to 1842 - biographical notes by Alun Morgan.
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      Public Records

      Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;

      • Talley Parish Council and Community council records 1773-1994 (accumulated 1894-1994)
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      Schools

      Rawlins, Jose. Talley School. Dyfed FHS journal Vol7/6 Dec 2001. An article about the Board school just outside Talley village which opened in 1874 with Dafydd Evans as the schoolmaster. References to the School Log Book (1874-96) and Admissions Register (1874-1940) which are held at Carmarthen Archives.

      Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • Talley School in 1900. Nance Evans became the first woman driver in the parish. She drove an Oldsmobile van.
      • The children outside Talley Scool in 1903.
      • Talley School in 1904.
      • Talley School in 1905.
      • Talley School in 1947.
      • Coronation Day in Talley School 1953
      • Talley School Retirement Party in 1962.
      • The children at Talley School in March 1967.
      • Talley School in 1971
      • Children at Talley School in 1972.
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      Social Life & Customs

      Various items - on the People's Collection Wales site

      • A coach trip from Talley
      • A photograph of the members of Talley Cricket Club in 1980.
      • This photograph of St John Ambulance Talley Division was taken at Talley School, shortly after the state funeral of Winston Churchill on 30 January 1965.